we saw a lot of them filed during the katrina case, but a hard, hard case to win. it's an act of god. we set up and were properly set up an ordinary storm, but not something like this. 100 year storm. >> when you look at the cases dealing with katrina. do you think they have a pretty strong case, that they're not ultimately going to lose this? >> well, i think the utilities can put a strong defense on the board. the defense being we didn't anticipate a storm of this magnitude hitting the east coast of the united states. e-mail yonz of dollars were recovered in many suits against utilities, marinas, the u.s. army corps of engineers, huge numbers of class actions filed during the course of that litigation. bp, of course, just settled today in a criminal case. i wouldn't say that, you know, the long island people and the new jersey people are going to lose. they have got to prove that this was gross nelgs, that they should have anticipated a storm of this magnitude, and weren't properly prepared. >> also, breach of contract. you mentioned that as well. how did they do